tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post1218254801284668368..comments2023-12-24T11:20:38.708+00:00Comments on The Muniment Room: How To Be A Traditional CatholicTtonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-4884116424707858112009-03-14T16:12:00.000+00:002009-03-14T16:12:00.000+00:00Have I missed something? Ttony's long list, and a...Have I missed something? Ttony's long list, and all the comments, without one mention of Jesus or his message as contained in Holy Scripture?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-29518542058570283872009-02-27T14:34:00.000+00:002009-02-27T14:34:00.000+00:00Scuse me Ttony, Wishing to include more , who know...Scuse me Ttony, Wishing to include more , who knows what good it may do, there are fewer of us around every day in this vale of tears, after all.<BR/><BR/>Being in this world , but not of it, as natural. AND A LONG ETC<BR/><BR/>There is obviously something humanly pivotal abt this period- how Divine Providence weaves it all in I know not- else tableted words would not use it to recriminate Fr tIM :<BR/>oF COURSE, any given scandal is possible SOMEWHERE for SOME space of time. Yet,56-70 my altarboy and memberof the choir years, even something as banal say as unfolding a newspaper at mass, be it in latin, the vernacular, or old slavonic, just jars completely with my experience. <BR/>From the choirloft, DURING VERNACULAR SERMONS, one could indeed spot eyes turning to the UNFOLDED (catholic) front page near many, and I remember considerable leeway (by the standrds of the time)being given to noncatholic spouses, husbands, anyway, at least coming to church<BR/>with their family.<BR/>At the very least you said a rosary, then there were missals, lives of the saints, but the HUSH during the canon, not to mention the consecration!<BR/>In general, I know where I went wrong , and my sins, but I'm not so sure I know the "wicket gate." In particular, something didn't prepare the faithful against contraception and abortion, and it wasn't just "the Changes", coterminous at most. (I don't mean via sinning as such, I mean consciousness of sin.)Not so much knowing for certain what any catholic would or wouldn't do, but rather, being quite certain that even if they did, or didn't, they'd be sorry, that their perspective,not their lapses,but their inbuilt ingrained cultural perpective, was eternal.Mike Cliffsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405021835510775527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-23571583724009125062009-02-25T19:45:00.000+00:002009-02-25T19:45:00.000+00:002 recap:Sic transit..., but what abt God's glory?Q...2 recap:<BR/>Sic transit..., but what abt God's glory?<BR/>Quite a trip down memory lane.<BR/>However..<BR/>1.Months only to go till 60, so I can't talk of the 40s. <BR/>Quibble: in slough, penines, east midlands 50s and 60s , there were everysunday communicants who EQUALLY did not dream of receiving communion without Fasts AND confession, usually, on saturday -the queue could be hours long, my mother was not alone in leaving a communicant child to save a place whilst getting the shopping. The number of full pews waiting made the wait estimable(taking into account any given person could represent several). many more chaps than now worked Saturdays am and pm. <BR/> minor quibble2<BR/>Have to remeber, this "typical" picture is a stem for many variations, otherwise your image is like some period movies where every car, interior, garb music etc is EXACTLY say 1925.<BR/>Every parish had at least someone, and seldom likely somones, who said the liturgy of the hours, and others each with a fund of arcane catholic knowledge on ,say,the old sarum rite.<BR/>Mr bidgood says " weakening" . What word descibes what's happened since? Perhaps, with wealth, we Catholics were starting to get bourgois in the richer parishes by the mid to late sixties.Yet 50% in prison were catholic, ( I well remember the pp at an inner city shcool softpedalling 2shalt not steal": half the class had dadin, or inand out,of jug.) later immigrants have taken over our role. Pace St teresa, over more woe from answered prayers than unanswered, long did I then for catholicism to be repsectable, it became"mainstream"ยท at least, full carparks and a mausoluem wasteland.<BR/>The flight of catholic, mostly Irish born , nurses, would have crippled hospitals, which has of course actually happened, thanks to infanticide.<BR/>so muchmore....Mike Cliffsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405021835510775527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-76072841406275710252009-02-25T18:27:00.000+00:002009-02-25T18:27:00.000+00:00Tried twice as anon, taken me hours to remember wh...Tried twice as anon, taken me hours to remember who I amMike Cliffsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405021835510775527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-41612559846650906672009-02-24T04:51:00.000+00:002009-02-24T04:51:00.000+00:00I'm glad that Moretben remembers the Church of his...I'm glad that Moretben remembers the Church of his fathers.<BR/>I remember that Church very well.<BR/>I remember outdoor processions in May and on the Feast of Corpus Christi.<BR/>Outdoor meant OUTDOOR on the roads with the police moving the traffic over.<BR/>I remember walking from Leeds Cathedral to the ruins of Kirkstall Abbey, a distance of about four or so miles. It was a Catholic mens' procession and it took about an hour and a half to walk it. The procession itself would have been about four miles long anyway. When we got there we had Benediction outdoors.<BR/><BR/>JARayJARayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138004129894177863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-18732474831788289992009-02-24T02:04:00.000+00:002009-02-24T02:04:00.000+00:00Dear ttony, The Britain of the 1950's and 1960's...Dear ttony,<BR/><BR/> The Britain of the 1950's and 1960's still possessed a certain, albeit gravely weakened Christian sensiblilty, which your post illustrates.<BR/> In January I was back home in Cornwall, which allowed me to buy the 'Sunday Independent', a west country paper not the London-centric mouthpiece for al-Jazeera.<BR/> It publishes photographs from the 'past'. One showed a group of women with the caption: 'Members of the St Mark Mother's Union from Bristol prepare for an outing to visit churches in Somerset'. I doubt today that this would occur.<BR/><BR/>In Christo,<BR/>Anthony BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com