tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post2513949348269430024..comments2023-12-24T11:20:38.708+00:00Comments on The Muniment Room: 16 reasons for unhappy trads to read Sacramentum Caritatis carefullyTtonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-82020489333861647072007-03-15T13:16:00.000+00:002007-03-15T13:16:00.000+00:00In the long term, the "softly-softly" approach may...In the long term, the "softly-softly" approach may secure the election of one of his proteges to the Chair of Peter (most likely an Italian, certainly a European), and thus continue the Catholic renaissance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-46083832803400045652007-03-14T15:05:00.000+00:002007-03-14T15:05:00.000+00:00TTony, To your excellent selection I might also ha...TTony, To your excellent selection I might also have added the admonitions on personal confession (para 21) and on participation not being synonymous with external activity (para 52). <BR/><BR/>I am not so chary of para 3. I may well be deceiving myself, but I think that para 3 is very subtly worded - for instance, all the positives on the new liturgy are ascribed to the Synod Fathers, and not written in the first person.<BR/><BR/>Pope Benedict is undoubtedly the right man to get us out of the current mess, but even given the best of health and an iron constitution he will not be around for 68 years. And this makes many impatient with the softly-softly approach, even if it may be the best one.Londiniensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15310965192661014230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-25768997608940978202007-03-14T13:17:00.000+00:002007-03-14T13:17:00.000+00:00I agree that the Motu Proprio will have to come ve...I agree that the <I>Motu Proprio</I> will have to come very soon so that it can be seen in the context of <I>Sacramentum Caritatis</I> (and, perhaps, vice versa).<BR/><BR/>There are other straws in the wind, though: the Institute of the Good Shepherd's being set up in part to carry out a serious critical look at Vatican II, for example; Cardinal Arinze's increasingly forthright comments (is it just me or does he seem to spend a lot of time in the UK and the US?); the increased willingness (for whatever reason) of Bishops in the UK to allow Indult Masses.<BR/><BR/>HH the P is extremely politically astute: he didn't spend more than 20 years in the <I>Curia</I> by not learning how to make the Vatican machine work for him. He is also extremely feline in his approach: don't look for extravagant gestures. My bet is that the next big course correction will come in the autumn or winter, and will be something involving the Congregation for Bishops, whether or not Cardinal Re's position as its Head is called into question or not.<BR/><BR/><I>Coraggio, pazienza e perseveranza, amico mio</I>: the Avignon Captivity lasted 68 years; Arianism lasted even longer.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37512247.post-56867970565641757862007-03-14T12:25:00.000+00:002007-03-14T12:25:00.000+00:00TTonyA very good selection.I agree that if one can...TTony<BR/><BR/>A very good selection.<BR/><BR/>I agree that if one can get over Para 3 (and it's a big "if", at every level)there are some good things, particularly the extended theological theme.<BR/><BR/>I'm not dismayed by the absence of this or that; in that respect my expectations have neither been exceeded nor disappointed. What I find very difficult to swallow is paragraph 3. I really did think Pope Benedict would spare us the "glories of the Revolution" stuff, considering everything he's written in the past.<BR/><BR/>As for the "hermeneutic of continuity", I'll say it again: the discontinuity in the historical development of the rite has already been introduced - enforced, in fact, <I>by the Papacy,</I>. We cannot simply theorise that away, or pretend it hasn't happened. Until continuity is reasserted in <B>fact</B> this approach is all but completely meaningless. Its credibility and coherence requires "the motu proprio"; without it, the whole document will have been strangled in the cradle by the preceding sentences of Para 3.Anagnostishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03706938507885553293noreply@blogger.com