19 May 2012

The Hail Mary In The Bidding Prayers

In response to a couple of Twitter comments which suggested that according to the Catholic Herald Bishop Conry of Arundel and Brighton was about to ban the Hail Mary from the end of the Bidding Prayers because they were a liturgical abuse, I said that Cardinal Heenan had won permission from Rome for the Hail Mary's inclusion at the end of the prayers and promised to look for a source.

The bad news is that I can't find a source, at least not on line, and not in any of the muniments I have to hand (though this room is sprawling and there are dusty corners which have not been visited these several years).

But I find that Fr Leon Pereira OP (now a teacher at Oscott) certainly remembers as I do: this is taken from his catechesis on the revised translation of the Novus Ordo available at the website of his last Priory:

"The  structure  of  each  bidding  prayer  is  (a)  the  deacon  invites  us  to  pray  for  an  intention,  and  (b)  during  a  significant  pause  we  pray  for  that  intention.  There  are  two  options  for  how  we  respond  after  our  prayer.  One  option  is  by  means  of  prayerful  silence.  The  other  option  is  the  priest  (not  the  deacon  or  intercession  proposer)  prompts  us  to  respond,  in  one  of  the  following  ways.   

℣  Lord,  in  your  mercy.   ℟  Hear  our  prayer.  
℣  Lord,  we  ask  you:   ℟  Hear  our  prayer.  
℣  Lord,  hear  us.   ℟  Lord,  graciously  hear  us.  
℣  We  pray  to  the  Lord:   ℟  Lord,  hear  our  prayer.
We  must  say  our  response  sincerely.  Try  to  remember  at  least  one  of  the  petitions,  and  keep  on  praying  for  it  during  the  week.    In  England  and  Wales  it  is  common  to  seek  Our  Lady’s  intercession  at  the  end  of  the  petitions,  praying  the  ‘Hail  Mary’  (permission  for  this  was  obtained  by  the  late  Cardinal  Heenan).  Then  the  concluding  prayer  is  made  by  the  priest,  addressing  God  now,  usually  with  a  Trinitarian  formula:  to  the  Father,  through  the  Son,  in  the  Holy  Spirit."

The other thing I've found comes from Zenit, and is dated 18 October 2005.  Fr Edward McNamara, Professor of Liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University opined:

"Some other readers asked about the practice of reciting the Hail Mary during the Prayer of the Faithful.

While this custom is not universal, it seems to have its roots in English liturgical practice from even before the Second Vatican Council.

One reader suggested that a document exists impeding this practice, but I have been unable to find it. I would say that, barring some authoritative intervention, the practice could continue where it has been customary to do so.

The objections to the use of the Hail Mary are usually based on the principle that liturgical prayers are practically always directed to the Father, and on rare occasions to the Son.

However, when the Hail Mary is used in the Prayer of the Faithful she is not addressed directly but is usually invoked as a mediator to carry our prayer to the Father within the context of the communion of saints.

This invocation is certainly unnecessary from a liturgical standpoint, and it is probably better not to introduce it where it does not exist. However, I do not believe it needs to be forbidden where already well established."

It would be helpful if somebody can find a copy of the correspondence between Cardinal Heenan and the Congregation for Divine Worship in which the permission will have been given.  I have no access to a GIRM for England and Wales earlier that 2005 and I note with surprised interest that the permission to say the Hail Mary is not noted there.  Furthermore, the Liturgy Office of the CBCEW published Celebrating the Mass: A Pastoral Introduction as a practical interpretative guide to the GIRM and included this statement:

"The Roman Rite does not envisage the inclusion of devotional prayers in the Prayer of the Faithful.  As is traditional with liturgical prayer, the Prayer of the Faithful is addressed to the Father, through the Son and in the Spirit."

Now a) what we are talking about is a special permission for the Dioceses of England and Wales, not something for the whole Roman Rite (though lucky us and unlucky rest of the world) and b) Fr McNamara,  (Professor of Liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University, you'll remember) dismissed the liturgical argument put forward by the CBCEW's Liturgy Office.  But you still might get the idea, if you had a suspicious mind, that something not unlike a time bomb had been buried in 2005.

Finding a copy of the permission would be really, really, helpful.


george said...

It is interesting his Lordship himself says for the Pope's visit in the draft of the Liturgy the Hail Mary was included, and removed by the Office for Papal Liturgy.
The point is our own experts were confident enough to include it, the OPL understandably rejected a local custom from a broadcast Papal Liturgy.

Sixupman said...

If this is the only alleged liturgical abuse which comes to the mind of +Conry, what a sheltered life he must leave. Or is he being highly selective?

Anonymous said...

It was included in the 'official' book of the Prayer of the Faithful in use in many parishes from vernacular day until the mid 70's - the one from which we used to pray for "Our Sovereign Lady, Queen Elizabeth and all members of the Royal Family" on a regular basis.
I think the introduction to the Hail Mary went along the lines of.... We ask the glorious and ever-virgin Mother of God to intercede for all God's people livjng and dead..all a bit vague now. I can't imagine the venerable Canon who was our parish priest in those days permitting anything to be used that wasn't thoroughly approved of and with containing a decree in Latin!

I really think that the good bishop would be better employed with encouraging people to rediscover the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Anonymous said...

Check out our discussion on facebook:

Richard Duncan If Our Lady is the mediatrix of all graces, it is surely a little odd not to ask her to associate her prayers with ours? The problem here is "hyper-liturgism", i.e. the tendency to privilege liturgical prayer over all other forms of prayer, even in circumstances where this is not helpful or approriate for particular individuals. Hyper-liturgism also looks down its nose at saying the rosary during mass, despite the fact that for some people (e.g. those for whom the vernacular is not their first language) this might be the only way in which they can participate in the liturgy.


Peter Crawley said...

Arundel and Brighton abuses: how about the Bishop including the name of an Anglican Bishop in the Eucharistic Prayer, what about his one handed elevation, what about women's feet being washed, what about priests co-celebrating with Anglican female priests, what about some priests refusing to use the new translations, what about the widespread use of ceramic vessels, what about the bishop celebrating Mass for teachers and passing the chalice around, what about the use of non-scriptural readings at Mass, what about powerpoint homilies, what about the bishops Confirmations which look more like graduation ceremonies, what about the bishop riding out of Mass on a scooter, what about widespread lay purification of vessels? What about the Bishop refusing to wear his proper vestments? I could go on it just makes me angry, but this strikes me as attack by a sad man on Marian devotion, on Catholicism, which he really doesn't understand - he's barking and dangerous!

Genty said...

This could have been turned into an opportunity to reinstate the prayers at the foot of the altar after Mass.
I don't think Bishop Conry understands Catholicism. Unfortunately for A&B he's comparatively young, juvenile even, and this is about as far as he goes.
One hopes and prays that the new Nuncio will punch a hole in the Irish mafia with the next tranche of bishops.
I'll look through the autobiography of Card. Heenan and see what I can find.

Mater mari said...

I understand from an elderly priest friend that Bishop Gordon Wheeler (Leeds) was instrumental in obtaining this permission. Having at one time lived in A & B I can recognise, sadly, at least some of what Peter Crawley says, although I might have expressed it differently!

Anonymous said...

The story I heard was that people started using other prayers, like the memorare, and the bishops thought they'd better ask permission. According to the story, Rome said that no, and that the Hail Mary should not be used either, but the bishops suppressed the ruling.

As for mass in a foreign language; I once went to Mass in Polish. But it was still the Mass. I joined in, only in Englihs, and I sang, only I 'lad' instead. No need to pray the rosary during Mass at all. At Mass, we celebrate Mass; being in the same place praying private prayers does not count.

Omphalomancer said...

On the subject of Easter Bunny Masses: HCPT, the showcase of liturgical participation, sine qua non, is always a useful place to look for reassurance. Last year they embraced that paragon of paediatric patrimony and asked HE Cardinal Brady to preach at the Trust Mass. An occasion that may have raised the hackles of hypocrisy was ennobled by the diligent activity of a rabbit sitting on his shoulder and nodding at appropriate intervals- the Easter Bunny and Palm Sunday Donkey united in celebration!
however, this post was intended as a testimony to our beloved brother Kieran, Lord Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, or Arrogant and Beautiful. At this years Trust Mass the orthodox prelate concelebrated and as so many of his co-concelebrants sported the most wonderful headgear from the simple knitted variety to the expansive Stetson to the oh so last year rabbits' ears, he our paragon of his own orthodoxy (or might we daringly call it idiodoxy?) resolutely refused to bear his own silly hat- how self effacingly modest.

Evagrius Ponticus said...

Could someone please inform various Americans, pronouncing from vertiginous equines on this subject, of this point, please?

KeepTheHailMary said...

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Keep The Hail Mary In Our Mass is a UK Campaign set up to generate awareness and support to preserve the much loved Catholic tradition of praying & saying the Hail Mary as part of our Sunday Mass.

This is following Bishop Kieran Conry of Arundel & Brightons potentially catastrophic decision to drop & exclude the Hail Mary in Sunday Mass.

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Sixupman said...

Keep The Hail Mary:

Rather re-instate the Leonine Prayers after Mass.

Evagrius said...

Sixupman: What would the prayers be for? The question of the sovereignty of the Holy See is not in issue, and Russians are now free to worship as they choose.

Ches said...

On the topic, I addressed the following letter to the editor of the Catholic Herald last week:

Dear Sir,

I note with curiosity Bishop Kieran Conry's opposition to the use of the Hail Mary during the Prayer of the Faithful, and with even greater curiosity, the pretext for his opposition: the desire to follow the mind of the Universal Church. I congratulate the bishop on this new orientation and hope in particular that it will also guide his attitudes towards the links between contraception and abortion, or towards the practice of frequent confession, or the problems of secularization: on all these topics, as reported in various issues of The Catholic Herald, Bishop Conry's views have not hitherto been distinguished by any such desire.

If we, nevertheless, engage with the 2005 Arundel and Brighton guidelines for the Prayer of the Faithful, we might be dismayed to read that 'a set of prayers directed to the Father, through the Son and in the power of the Holy Spirit, contains 'no obvious place' for prayers to the saints [my emphasis].' On the contrary, since the saints are mentioned several times in the course of the prayers of the Mass, and within the Eucharistic Prayer itself, the very opposite seems to be the case. Properly understood, our worship of God is not undermined, but rather complemented, by our relationship to the saints, and supremely by our relationship to the Mother of God who is the examplar of everything that the Mass is intended to achieve in us.

That seems obvious to me anyway. I'm sorry to hear the same is not the case in Arundel and Brighton.

Best wishes, etc.

Ttony said...

Ches: how excellently put! Well done!

I bet they won't publish it though.

Removal Company said...

If this is the only alleged liturgical abuse which comes to the mind of +Conry, what a sheltered life he must leave. Or is he being highly selective?

Sixupman said...

Removal Company, do I hear an echo in your post?

Genty said...

No mention of the Hail Mary in Cardinal Heenan's autobiography. He was only just beginning to unpick the "spirit" of VII towards the end of Part 2, pub. 1974. But no part 3. He died in 1975.